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		<title>By: Marco Pantanella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marco Pantanella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 22:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can&#039;t really consider Chiellini a wing-back anymore Bashar. He&#039;s played center-back with Juve for over a year now. And Panucci played center-back for Roma many times over this season, doing very well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t really consider Chiellini a wing-back anymore Bashar. He&#8217;s played center-back with Juve for over a year now. And Panucci played center-back for Roma many times over this season, doing very well.</p>
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		<title>By: Bashar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bashar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hahahaha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hahahaha</p>
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		<title>By: Bashar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bashar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hahaha.. 4 full backs.. This is what the Italian national team has come to?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hahaha.. 4 full backs.. This is what the Italian national team has come to?</p>
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		<title>By: Bashar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bashar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ambrosini in the center of defense? Dear Lord.. Switch Grosso and Zambrotta as well..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ambrosini in the center of defense? Dear Lord.. Switch Grosso and Zambrotta as well..</p>
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		<title>By: Bashar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bashar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to disagree.. Luca Toni created goals for Klose and Ribery as well as scored them. He needs service and when he is stranded 50 yards from goal without service because Ambrosini and Gatusso were invisible how is that his fault?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to disagree.. Luca Toni created goals for Klose and Ribery as well as scored them. He needs service and when he is stranded 50 yards from goal without service because Ambrosini and Gatusso were invisible how is that his fault?</p>
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		<title>By: JohnST</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnST</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your contribution to the discussion Ron.

DUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHH</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your contribution to the discussion Ron.</p>
<p>DUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHH</p>
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		<title>By: Ron, PROUD and DUTCH</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron, PROUD and DUTCH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK. Offside???????????????


How low can you go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK. Offside???????????????</p>
<p>How low can you go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH <img src='http://www.mcalcio.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' />   <img src='http://www.mcalcio.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' />   <img src='http://www.mcalcio.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' />   <img src='http://www.mcalcio.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' />   <img src='http://www.mcalcio.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' />   <img src='http://www.mcalcio.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' />   <img src='http://www.mcalcio.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' />   <img src='http://www.mcalcio.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' />   <img src='http://www.mcalcio.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' />   <img src='http://www.mcalcio.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' />   <img src='http://www.mcalcio.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' />   <img src='http://www.mcalcio.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ron, PROUD and DUTCH</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron, PROUD and DUTCH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again, dear achmed,

The game is not plaied by YOUR ruleS. tO BAD, SO SAD. Is it so difficult to understand the (so f.....g) easy understanding, simple, for all the ................IQ and minor.............. duhhhuyhh, nice people:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again, dear achmed,</p>
<p>The game is not plaied by YOUR ruleS. tO BAD, SO SAD. Is it so difficult to understand the (so f&#8230;..g) easy understanding, simple, for all the &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.IQ and minor&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.. duhhhuyhh, nice people:</p>
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		<title>By: Marco Pantanella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marco Pantanella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;
&lt;b&gt;guillermo wrote:&lt;/b&gt;
UEFA has emphasised that the goal scored by Netherlands striker Ruud van Nistelrooy in last night’s UEFA EURO 2008™ match against Italy in Berne was valid, and that referee Peter Fröjdfeldt acted correctly in awarding it.
&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;
Guillermo, Mr. Taylor can &lt;a target=_blank href=&quot;http://en.euro2008.uefa.com/news/kind=1/newsid=711341.html#uefa+supports+dutch+goal+decision&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;back up his reffing staff&lt;/a&gt; as much as he wants, the linesman still got the decision wrong in my opinion. Now, everyone here can shout &quot;only stupid people can&#039;t change their mind&quot;, but I&#039;m not the only one who thinks so. As Ahmed said, UEFA have every interest at ruling out any potential controversies and given the choice, will always rule on the side of the officiating staff.

For the sake of indulging you, let&#039;s go over Mr. Taylor&#039;s quote again:
&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;
Mr Taylor concluded: “So let’s be clear – the referees’ team applied the law in the correct manner. If we did not have this interpretation of the player being off the pitch then &lt;b&gt;what could happen is that the defending team could use the tactic of stepping off the pitch deliberately to play players offside&lt;/b&gt;, and that clearly is unacceptable. The most simple and practical interpretation of the law in this instance is the one that is adopted by referees throughout the world – that is that unless you have permission from the referee to be off the pitch, you are deemed to be on it and deemed to be part of the game. That is why the Italian defender, &lt;b&gt;even though his momentum had taken him off the pitch&lt;/b&gt;, was still deemed to be part of the game, and therefore the attacking player put the ball into the net, and it was a valid goal. The law in this place was applied absolutely correctly.”
&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;
Point nº1: we all agree a player cannot intentionally leave the field in order to put an opponent offside. That would be too easy. 

Point nº2: it was not Panucci&#039;s momentum that had taken him off the pitch, it was Buffon crashing all over him and leaving Panucci injured. Thus, the player was not in control of his actions, did not intentionally leave the field (be it by his run, or his &quot;momentum&quot; carrying him over the line) and could not have promptly re-inserted himself in play on account of lying motionless on the ground.

Now, what I can (and will) agree on, is that the linesman interpreted Panucci&#039;s actions a different way. In his mind, he was &lt;b&gt;unable to determine&lt;/b&gt; whether Panucci had intentionally left the field to circumvent the offside rule, and applied the rule in its simplest terms. However, whether the linesman applied the rule in good faith or not, is irrelevant. He still made a mistake.

I&#039;ll give you one more thing to consider: would everyone have been so quick to side with the validity of RVN&#039;s goal, had Panucci been lying on the ground, bleeding profusely, and knocked out of his senses?

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&lt;b&gt;John said:&lt;/b&gt;
I find that the first really does not mater much in this game. The dutch out played the Italians for the majority of the game. The basic principle in any sport is to out-play,out-chance,and out-score your opponent.The dutch excelled at this in all facets of the game.The dutch were the better team plain and simple.
&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;
And no one (certainly not me) is denying that. Neither am I making excuses that the entirety of Holland&#039;s victory was based on controversy. The Dutch fully deserved their win and to put it simply, Italy played like sh**. However we can praise Marco Van Basten&#039;s team all we want, questions about the validity of the first goal still remain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
<b>guillermo wrote:</b><br />
UEFA has emphasised that the goal scored by Netherlands striker Ruud van Nistelrooy in last night’s UEFA EURO 2008™ match against Italy in Berne was valid, and that referee Peter Fröjdfeldt acted correctly in awarding it.
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<p>Guillermo, Mr. Taylor can <a target=_blank href="http://en.euro2008.uefa.com/news/kind=1/newsid=711341.html#uefa+supports+dutch+goal+decision" rel="nofollow">back up his reffing staff</a> as much as he wants, the linesman still got the decision wrong in my opinion. Now, everyone here can shout &#8220;only stupid people can&#8217;t change their mind&#8221;, but I&#8217;m not the only one who thinks so. As Ahmed said, UEFA have every interest at ruling out any potential controversies and given the choice, will always rule on the side of the officiating staff.</p>
<p>For the sake of indulging you, let&#8217;s go over Mr. Taylor&#8217;s quote again:</p>
<blockquote><p>
Mr Taylor concluded: “So let’s be clear – the referees’ team applied the law in the correct manner. If we did not have this interpretation of the player being off the pitch then <b>what could happen is that the defending team could use the tactic of stepping off the pitch deliberately to play players offside</b>, and that clearly is unacceptable. The most simple and practical interpretation of the law in this instance is the one that is adopted by referees throughout the world – that is that unless you have permission from the referee to be off the pitch, you are deemed to be on it and deemed to be part of the game. That is why the Italian defender, <b>even though his momentum had taken him off the pitch</b>, was still deemed to be part of the game, and therefore the attacking player put the ball into the net, and it was a valid goal. The law in this place was applied absolutely correctly.”
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<p>Point nº1: we all agree a player cannot intentionally leave the field in order to put an opponent offside. That would be too easy. </p>
<p>Point nº2: it was not Panucci&#8217;s momentum that had taken him off the pitch, it was Buffon crashing all over him and leaving Panucci injured. Thus, the player was not in control of his actions, did not intentionally leave the field (be it by his run, or his &#8220;momentum&#8221; carrying him over the line) and could not have promptly re-inserted himself in play on account of lying motionless on the ground.</p>
<p>Now, what I can (and will) agree on, is that the linesman interpreted Panucci&#8217;s actions a different way. In his mind, he was <b>unable to determine</b> whether Panucci had intentionally left the field to circumvent the offside rule, and applied the rule in its simplest terms. However, whether the linesman applied the rule in good faith or not, is irrelevant. He still made a mistake.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll give you one more thing to consider: would everyone have been so quick to side with the validity of RVN&#8217;s goal, had Panucci been lying on the ground, bleeding profusely, and knocked out of his senses?</p>
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<b>John said:</b><br />
I find that the first really does not mater much in this game. The dutch out played the Italians for the majority of the game. The basic principle in any sport is to out-play,out-chance,and out-score your opponent.The dutch excelled at this in all facets of the game.The dutch were the better team plain and simple.
</p></blockquote>
<p>And no one (certainly not me) is denying that. Neither am I making excuses that the entirety of Holland&#8217;s victory was based on controversy. The Dutch fully deserved their win and to put it simply, Italy played like sh**. However we can praise Marco Van Basten&#8217;s team all we want, questions about the validity of the first goal still remain.</p>
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		<title>By: Marco Pantanella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marco Pantanella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be honest Alessio, the Panucci-Chiellini pairing never even crossed my mind. Perhaps I was having too much (blind) faith in Barzagli, but it seems more or less obvious now that without the &quot;directing influence&quot; that is Cannavaro, the Palemo center-back is just lost at sea.

All things considered, a &lt;b&gt;Zambrotta-Panucci-Chiellini-Grosso&lt;/b&gt; backline is looking more attractive by the minute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be honest Alessio, the Panucci-Chiellini pairing never even crossed my mind. Perhaps I was having too much (blind) faith in Barzagli, but it seems more or less obvious now that without the &#8220;directing influence&#8221; that is Cannavaro, the Palemo center-back is just lost at sea.</p>
<p>All things considered, a <b>Zambrotta-Panucci-Chiellini-Grosso</b> backline is looking more attractive by the minute.</p>
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